Eric and Paul interview Jeremy Wiles, the Ark Hunter, about stories about the Flood gathered from around the world.
the following program is made possible by the friends and partners of God Quest ministries from the C. T. N. Studio in Pensacola florida. This is the creation today’s show with Erica vin and paul taylor and on the show today we’re absolutely thrilled that we’re going to be talking to a man who has been researching lots of stories about Noah’s Flood and he’s been all over the world to find these stories. It is incredible stuff. More reasons to believe the bible is literally true and scientifically accurate in every single detail. We know you’re gonna enjoy getting to know jeremy wiles from Mark Hunter the movie dot com and you can go there and research more about him. I hope you’re looking forward to hearing what he has to say right after this. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. We are really excited about the, some of the things we have on the show to share with you today about Noah’s ark. It’s going to be a real cool show because the whole business about Noah’s ark and Noah’s Flood is just so important. So central to the accounts in the bible. It is. And what’s so amazing while we’re talking about the flood today, it is storming outside the studio. So we’ve got built, God has given us some built in sound effects. Yes, if you hear any anything any rumbling or anything. And it’s not because I didn’t care. Didn’t have lunch because there’s Thunder outside. Well, I want to tell you about a couple of things going on. First of all, we’re excited to announce that we have scheduled the very first ever proof of God conference with the church in Orlando florida. So this conference is gonna be March 16th and 17th of 2012. Plan your spring break to come down and visit us in Orlando florida. We’ve got some great speakers lined up for this conference. Absolutely superb speakers lined up with the conference. We’ve got carl Kirby reasons for hope minister. It’s very very excited to be working with Mark expense is going to be there From where the master he’s the dean of students at the School of Biblical Evangelism. Great friend and man powerful messages to share. That’s right and we’ve got our good friends yes from Canada is going to be there and other creation ministries and you’re going to be speaking there. I’m gonna be there. That’s why I’m going because you’re gonna be there. I’ve got a couple of things to say like good hello and welcome and there’s another chap there let me think. Good looking chap. Yeah. Oh yeah I don’t know if they’ll have anything good to say or not but the other guys you’re gonna want to come. So there’s always a first time. That’s exactly right. Well we’re excited about this conference. We just scheduled it and man wants you to find out more about it at proof conference dot com proof conference dot com and you can check out a little more about that conference, see if you can come down and join us in Orlando for that. So that’s gonna be exciting. It’s gonna be absolutely wonderful. You’re gonna have your faith built up conference. So make sure you’re there because we’re going to teach you how to defend the God that absolutely exists, not the guy that maybe exists or most likely exists, but the absolute God that does exist. Hey, that’s not all. Also the genesis series project is really coming along. If you go to genesis series dot com, you can check out that project. It is gonna be incredible. The animator, that’s the company that’s doing that has moved here to Pensacola. We’ve set them up and he is now full time working on the genesis story. The story of the bible chapters one through chapter three in three D animation, just like avatar. So it’s going to be incredible. There’s a website where you can see a preview which is genesis series dot com. That’s correct. Dot org dot com. Dot com genesis series dot com. So make sure you see that’s three D animation without the Blue aliens. That’s correct. Well, let’s get to our subject matter today. I gotta tell you, I’m excited. We’ve got Jeremy Wiles from Ark Hunter, the movie on and I am so excited about that. Did I mispronounce your last name, jeremy got it right, well, hey, welcome to the show man. Thanks so much for being here. Thanks for having me. You know, I got to meet Jeremy, I get to meet you uh several months ago through a radio program that we were doing together. And man, we’re going back and forth sharing with the audience and I’ve never met him before and he was telling stories on the air and I was just like, this is incredible. So I was like, man, you gotta share some of those stories with our audience here. It’s really neat. Tell us real quick, Jeremy about kind of what you’re doing and why you got involved in Noah’s ark. Oh gosh man, you know, this was, I guess it was a childhood obsession and you know, in life we have questions growing up and um, a lot of times those questions leave you when you become an adult and with me, it just, it never left. It became an absolute obsession that at some point I decided um that, you know, I had some offers to go into the corporate world and I decided I was going to pick up my briefcase or pick up my backpack instead of my briefcase. So I went out off on this journey and it’s been a blast dude. And there’s no question if people go to your website, give us your website real quick. It’s ark Hunter movie dot com, ark Hunter movie dot com. I’m telling you listeners when you go there and check that out, you’ll see, Jeremy has really done the adventures you’ve been traveling now for a couple of years and you can tell from the video for that you’ve got on your website, you have really done some adventures out there, haven’t you? Well, I’m trying to get you to come with me man, I’m ready to go. I need a cool hat like you wear and get my indiana jones hat and I’m ready to go, man. Yeah, when I first saw you one of your movies, I thought you were british for a minute because you had one of those pith helmets on top of your head. Well, tell us real quick I want to get into, I kind of want to step back and let you share some of the stories of some of these places you’ve gone, because you’ve gotten to see And experience some really cool things. Can you tell us probably maybe some of your favorite favorite things that you’ve done. Oh, goodness! Well, you know, the movie has been shot in about 12 countries now And we’ve traveled through, I guess about 40 countries in, in getting there. Uh Gosh, I don’t know where to start. It’s just, I think one thing that’s so fascinating is that there are over 350 cultures that have a story of a great flood And what’s amazing about that fact is that 80, over 80% of them have commonalities of an arc of a worldwide flood of animals and a boat of eight people on that Ark and if this was a local flood event, you know, according to the, some skeptics out there, you know, they theorized it was the black sea that flooded. If that’s what took place then, um why would we have, you know, all these commonalities in different cultures around the world. It had to, they have to take with them the same story throughout the world and there’s no reason for an arc, there’s no reason reasons to take birds on an arc if it was a local flood. So I’ve gone into some of these cultures and these tribes in jungles and uh in china and India and uh we’ve documented these things and up until now we’ve read about them in textbooks, foreign novels, but we’ve got these things on film, so it’s pretty exciting. So you’re, you’re literally gonna show people these stories, these legends, it’s it’s the people, they’re sharing the legend. Now I know on one of them and after the break we’re gonna show a clip that that you sent us of one of the guys singing the legend. It was passed down through song, Is that right? Yeah, this is in china, this is the Hmong people and the guy singing this song which was the story of the flood, the in china and in the Hmong tribe, they carry their stories down through oral tradition and it’s not just spoken, it’s sung. So he actually sung, I sat there in his house and he was smoking this three ft long pipe and stuff and he’s telling me this story, he’s singing it to me and uh you know, I sit there and I’m thinking, wow, this is absolutely amazing because I asked him later, you know, who told you this story, where did this come from? And his reason and his explanation was well, it was passed down through generations. I heard it from my grandfather and his grandfather told it to him. So some white dude shows up in his village a few 1000 years later and he tells it to me that is incredible. Well right after this break, I want to, I want to show the viewers a clip of this and what you’re talking about as well as getting to some of the other stories and uh, and legends that you’ve now captured and talk about the movie that you’re doing this is this is gonna be incredible. So stay tuned as we talk about that right after this. A mm hmm, mm hmm. Okay. Yeah, mm hmm. Welcome back, you’re watching Creation today with paul taylor and eric ho vine And you know, we’re absolutely thrilled today that we’ve got Jeremy Wiles on the line will be, we’re talking to him. He’s from Ark Hunter movie dot com and we’re just having a wonderful time listening to his stories that he’s gathered around the world about noah’s flood and you know eric a lot of people just don’t believe in Noah’s Flood, believe it happened Or if it did happen, it was just a local event and it’s a local event that Jeremy has told us is reflected in stories in 350 cultures around the world. So that’s a remarkable coincidence isn’t it? Is you know, there is so much evidence for this, but the Bible tells us in the last days people are going to scoffers are gonna be willingly ignorant of three things. Second Peter Chapter three says the scoffers are going to be ignorant of the creation, which we talk a lot about. They’re also going to be ignorant of the flood and the coming judgment of God. So this really is one of the critical things that people are willingly ignorant and as my dad says the Bible in the Bible that means dumb on purpose, they’re willingly ignorant about these things. So Jeremy, thanks again for being on with us, we really appreciate you being here and I want to show the people this clip that we’ve been talking about of the man actually singing his tradition. Tell us a little bit about that. Let’s let’s start that clip rolling right now. Tell us a little bit about what we’re watching here, this is in southern china, we had traveled about 5000 miles across the country and I had gone to this old Hmong guy’s house, he is one of The last 10 men in his tribe within the Hmong people that know their ancient stories and they passed their traditions down orally and they just don’t, you know, tell you about their traditions, they sing them to to you. So um I went to his house and you know, it’s, it’s not like you can just show up and say, hey tell me your stories, it’s kind of a process, you know, I learned this by going into the jungle, the Philippines and getting a flood story as well. Their stories are extremely important to them, so they just don’t come out and say, yeah, let me tell you, you know, let me tell you what happened, it’s, they want to sit down with you, they wanna, it’s a formal event really, and uh so we sat there on the floor of his house and he told me he sang to me the story of the great flood, that’s just incredible. And you told us something about the story and the reason why the flood happened according to his story. What was that, Jeremy? Yeah, I had, I had asked him, I said what was the reason that God flooded the earth? And he went on to tell me and he said that um there were two brothers and one brother was jealous of the other and he committed murder against his brother, he killed him and God saw this jealousy, he saw that this murder took place and he decided to destroy the world. So I mean obviously that sounds like the story of cain and Abel man. Okay, right here it’s at the end of the clip here and you’re standing in a temple that looks really fascinating. Tell us about this temple that we just saw. This is a temple. Um I can’t remember what province that it’s in, but it’s called the newer temple spelled N U W A. And they worshiped the God. Noah, no, I’m not making that stuff up. That’s so cool. So I mean literally even some of the similarities there, that’s that is fascinating and this place is this is a really cool place. I mean this this temple obviously was built a long time ago and and you’re standing there at this temple to Noah, It was built 550 BC Noah was the hero of the flood And uh the story is that new, a patched the hole in the sky with five or 7 colored stones. Noah gathered these stones that he melted the stones and with this molten mixture, patched the hole in the sky. So new in china is known as the sky hole patching which of course the colored stones sound like the rainbow and patch the hole in the sky. Said it’s it’s not raining anymore, right. Yeah, man, okay. It’s just a remarkable coincidence that these stories are so similar to the bible, then jeremy, I know I can see you shaking your head. I mean if you were to go onto a crime scene paul and if you were to investigate what you know happened, you would find fingerprints, you might find bloodstains, you might find a broken window, You might even find testimony from the person across the street. That’s the anthropological evidence. So it’s looking at the flood is is a lot like the analogy of going to a crime scene, you’ve got evidence all over the world, It’s bare its geological, paleontological, anthropological, all these biologicals. But the evidence is there, it is a logical conclusion to conclude there really was a worldwide flood. And that’s why the bible says to ignore all this evidence. You would have to be willingly ignorant because you don’t want to believe that as we know, there are serious implications to believing that there was a worldwide flood. That means God can judge his creation, like he says he did in the bible that means God can judge you and I for the actions that we do here on earth, there are serious implications to the whole idea of the flood being a real event. Tell me, jeremy, because you’ve been talking about the Hmong people there and their story and you said something to us about oracle bones. While we’re still talking about china, Do you want to want to elaborate on on the oracle bones and the things that the evidence that we see there, These were bones that were discovered in 1899. And what’s interesting about these bones is they had ancient Chinese characters written onto the bones. And the ancient chinese called them dragon bones but they were dinosaur fossils. So the ancient chinese wrote characters calligraphy onto the dinosaur bones And they called them dragon bones. When they analyzed these bones. The characters are a lot similar to the modern day chinese characters. And I met with a professor at kind of like the Harvard uh university of china. And he explained to me that these oracle bones when they when they created this calligraphy that they took their history and they embedded it into the development of their calligraphy. So they took events from their past or what was happening at that time and they took those events and they used those to come up with these pictographic ideograms of of their chinese. The chinese languages active actually pictographic. It’s ideograms which are symbols. So you might have several symbols or pictures that make up one word. And I asked him to give me an example of what he was talking about. And he gave me the Chinese word. This is a character that’s 4000 years old. He gave me the word for the past and it was a it was a picture of the sun and above the sun were waves. So when the chinese refer to the past they refer to an event where the waters reached the heavens. And I thought okay well you know that could have some connection there. Um I later went to Beijing and I met with another guy who expounded on this a bit more and he gave me the word, the chinese word for big boat. And when broken apart in those three different pictures. The first picture is the word for vessel. Now this is one word for big boat and there’s three different pictures in there. The first word is vessel or arc. The second word is the number eight or the picture for eight. And the last one is a picture for mouth or people. So When the Chinese refer were referring to a big boat, they referred to eight people in an arc. Unbelievable. And there’s got to be more of these that are out there. Uh because some people could say those two are just coincidences. All right. We’ve got to take a break but we’ve got to talk more about these because this again just piles on the evidence of a worldwide flood. All right. And and the traditions in china, we’ll talk about that right after this. Thank you welcome back to Creation today. Where we’re talking about Noah’s ark. It did it was there really a worldwide flood? Did noah really build a boat. There are legends all around the world that say yes indeed he did. We’re talking with Jeremy Wiles, our special guest from Mark Hunter movie dot com. You can visit them online at our Hunter movie dot com or his facebook page, facebook dot com slash ark Hunter. So encourage you to go check that out, jeremy, thanks again for being with us on this show. Man, we really are enjoying learning from you. If we can get into a couple more of these characters you’ve given to characters. Do you have any other? Because some people might say, oh those are just a coincidence that those chinese characters can be broken down into representing things that the bible you know, says really happened a couple more. Um Well first of all I would suggest that they get a book out there. It’s called the Discovery of Genesis. Great book. Yeah, it’s really good ethel nelson is a friend of mine and she has compiled the biggest list that you could ever ask for. She’s put her life work into this project. Um I was going through china this one time. This is kind of funny the way it happened. The translator that was with me, we pulled off into a rest stop and I noticed there was this sign above the the ramp going back up the opposite direction. And I knew what it was because I saw the character in ethel’s book and I asked the translator I said what does that mean? And he said that’s forbidden. He translated it for me. It was that these characters. I said forbidden. Okay. And I told him to explain the the symbols, the pictures in this character, forbidden. And he told me, he said, well it’s there’s two trees on the top and then beneath it is God. So you have two trees and a garden and God, that is this is not just coincidences that they really have taken the truth of things. Aven eve were real people. The garden of Eden tree of life, knowledge of good and evil, real things that really happened. It was really, yeah, it was absolutely real. Now. I know you can get that book, can’t you? Uh and you can get it from creation story dot org. That is a great place store dot I love that story creation store dot org. You can feel free to spend a lot of money in there and support. I hear the money you that people spend in creation story goes to feed the starving Children, yours and mine and a bunch of other people starving Children. Okay, well this is fascinating. There’s a couple other legends you wanted to get into, right? I mean just just cover some very briefly jeremy. So I want at least one of the other stories that you’ve collected, I don’t know from Philippines or from India or wherever you whatever you feel like the one in the Philippines I trekked into the jungle of the southern Philippines and there’s a tribe called the matt takes a look. They have their an indigenous tribe. So it’s like the native americans, they’re native to that area. And uh there are actually have an extremely violent past and they have this tradition called which means vengeance killings And if you, I mean if you do something very simple like insult an elder or steal a goat or something crazy, they have the right to come and kill you. And there’s this 24 hour passage where they, they demonstrated this whole thing to me in this tribe, but I could get into all those details. It’s crazy man, whoa! So don’t offend that tribe. Yeah, you’ve gotta watch what you say I guess. Um but I sat down with the chief of the tribe. It took several days to get him to talk to me because you know it’s the same thing, they just don’t share these stories with anyone. So it’s they’re very important to them and they’ve been passed down through generations. The the chief, his name is dr Ogbonnaya which means chief crocodile. And he sat down at his uh this in front of his house I guess it was and he told me the story that they have with the great flood and it has all the same characteristics as the biblical story which I was surprised I was thinking I would get something convoluted and distorted after 4000 years. Yeah you would think that it’s different. You would think, yeah and it did have some differences that they were, they took provisions onto the ark which were sweet potatoes because they have sweet potatoes in that area. Now I got a question jeremy, some people would argue, hey, these stories are just from people that experienced a local flood, it’s not worldwide. How do we put all these together and say no, it really was a worldwide flood? Well, I mean I asked the chief that same story and according to his tradition, they passed this, he actually got the story from his 105 year old grandfather. So it’s been passed down through generation and generation. You know, it goes back to just plain old common sense, why even build a boat if it was a local flood, how would they have known, How would they have even known to build a boat if it was just a local flood that just happened one time. Right? Yeah. Why not just move out of the neighborhood, go somewhere else and why have birds on it when the birds could easily flowing over the mountain to where there was no flood. Yeah, all the evidence just goes together to show this really was a worldwide flood. Just like genesis is talking about. Well, I mean if someone is gonna say, okay, you’ve got to prove to me that there was a flood and and if there was a flood, I would suspect that there would be plenty of stories around the world about this flood. Well, guess what? There are a lot of stories about, around the world? Well, I am excited about the movie that you guys are working on. I know movies take a long time. We’re at the beginning stages of, of one ourselves. Tell us when you guys are going to try to release this, you still got a couple, a lot more research to do and then to put this together, correct? Yeah. We’ve got a few years left in production and you know, we’ve been working on it now for about seven years. So we’re talking 9, 10 years before this thing is finished. Um, it’s been self finance and has very small pockets, but it’s getting there. It’s nearing the end. Well, that’s where a lot of people want to want to jump on board. And I want to encourage you. If you would like to see this project completed, please go to facebook dot com slash Ark Hunter or Ark Hunter movie dot com. Get in touch and get involved. I’m sure jeremy that this could happen sooner as finances and resources come in to make this happen to accomplish this, right? Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, it takes a lot of money to make a movie. It really does. Yeah. So if you guys want to get involved, please go there and uh, and donate to this. Give your tax refund or your other charitable contribution to the Noah’s Ark project. That would be great. And there’s some other parks being built as well in different places, aren’t there? In northern Kentucky? There’s encounter dot com being built by answers in genesis, full size Noah’s ark. And then the one in the Netherlands are noah dot com. What A R K V A N N O A ch dot com. That websites and duchess who have built by johan huber’s, who’s taking his arc, hopefully God willing across to London for the 2012. Olympics. Unbelievable. Well, jeremy, thanks so much for being on the show with us today and I, I really am thrilled with the work that you’re doing there, so thanks so much for being with us. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. Hey, if you have, if you have questions, feel free to send them into questions at Creation today dot org. Of course you can join us on twitter, twitter dot com slash creation today or facebook facebook dot com slash creation today. Absolutely. 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