Kyle talks to Eric and Paul about his film of Mount St Helens, made with Dr. Steve Austin.
the following program is made possible by the Friends and partners of God quest ministries. How old is this planet anyway, from the C T N studio in Pensacola florida. This is the creation today’s show. I’m one of your hosts, eric kevin and I’m joined by paul taylor and on today’s show we’ll be talking with a very special guest learning some of the interesting features of the Mount ST Helens eruption and we’ll be finding out a little bit about how life and vegetation could have reappeared after a worldwide flood. It’s gonna be interesting. You’ve got questions, we’ve got answers, you can send them to questions at Creation today 0.0 R G or join us on facebook at Creation today. Remember we believe the bible is literally true and scientifically accurate in every single detail. Welcome back to the creation today’s show. We’ve got a great show lined up for you today. We’re gonna be talking about about a lot of different things, including Mount ST Helens, which is, you don’t hear a lot about this from the evolution and so we’re gonna hear why you don’t hear a lot about this. It’s gonna be absolutely fascinating. We’re gonna be talking about a very exciting DVD project on Mount ST Helens and there’s a lot of very interesting things going on at the moment. In fact, very, very soon, within a very short space of time, you and I will both be traveling to Oregon. That’s correct. We’re gonna be at the Northwest Creation Conference. Yes. And you can find out about that conference at Creation and W dot org. We’re very excited about being there and joining in with a number of other speakers. It’s going to be very exciting. We got some guys from I C. Are there, I saw that and and we’re gonna be there. It’s in Portland Oregon. So if you can travel over to Courtland, please come by. We’d love to see you there. A lot of fun. We also got the proof of God conference next october 12 12. Right october 12 2010, 12 12, 12, 12 is gonna be the proof of God Conference in Orlando florida. We’d love to have you there. We got some great speakers, paul is going to be there. Carl Kirby our friend carl Kirby from reason for hope is gonna be that’s gonna be great sites and and myself, we’re gonna have a really good time at the proof of God conference in Orlando florida. Hey, for those of you that are local here to the Pensacola area. We got some really cool news. We got our first and I believe it’s the only one in Pensacola rideable dinosaur. I know it’s the only one on W street. I was just gonna say it’s the only one, the only one in five. That’s correct. A rideable dinosaur. You gotta come by the creation store and check out our ride on dinosaur. Let the kids have a good time and learn a little bit about Creation while they’re there. It is tame and I do want to emphasize that it is probably as far as we know a herbivorous dinosaurs. Yes, so we’re not had any Children eaten by it yet. We’re waiting for that. Well, like I said, we got a great show for you today. We are joined uh with a gentleman from compel Media. His name is Kyle Justice and he’s joining us by way of Skype. So Kyle, thanks so much for being with us today. Eric It’s great to be on the show. Thanks for inviting me. You have been working on a project with Steve Austin uh and just so our listeners know that’s not the million dollar, the $6 million stone cold guy. This is a guy that has a brain for geology, right? Yeah. He’s worked with the Institute for Creation Research and done lots of studies specifically around the Mount ST Helens area. And I’m excited about learning what you’ve done with steve and some of the things that you guys are pushing right now. Yeah, but I think first of all, before, before we get to into the substance of the DVD project that you’ve done with steve, I think what our audience would really like to know is who you are, Really, Kyle, what’s your involvement with these things? How did you come to be involved with this whole idea of a documentary on the subject of creationism. Yeah. Excuse me, it’s quite an opportunity. What was interesting, um, is you might say I was a child Prodigy with video. Um, my dad was, his hobby was filmmaking and I have a twin brother and he and I both picked up on it and really found I was, you know, very naturally talented guy gave me some gifts in that. And when I was in high school at a youth camp, there was a gentleman that came out, A guy named Doctor Donald Chittick. He’s been traveling for years, inspired hundreds and thousands of people. And there’s, there’s just something in me that that burned as far as, wow, there’s, there’s really scientific evidence for, you know, creation in the bible. And at the time I was doing a lot of video work and I thought someday I want to do something that involves video and creation helped promote, you know, this type of message because it needs to be out there and back in uh, well about 96 I was working for the family channel before that, I worked for Moody Bible Institute in Chicago and God just gave me lots of opportunities. And when I was working for the family channel, I had a lot of gear, a lot of editing available to me and around that same time there was a show called Bill Nye, the science guy. And I thought, you know what, we need to produce something like that, that that’s more geared to creation. And so I created this concept called the X. Nilo show and developed this uh concept and want to do dinosaurs in the bible is real popular, you know, subject with kids. And but I needed a host. And so Carl Kirby, you mentioned um first I talked to Donald, he said you need to talk to carl Kirby and then um I talked to Carl Kirby and he said you need to talk to a guy named kurt striker, answers in genesis. And so I went to answers in genesis, met with ken ham, Mark Lloyd and a few others and they basically, we partnered together to produce this project and it turned out really well. Um and then in 2000 I developed another project called the Creation Network that aired on Angel One and it was a continuous 26 episode series of documentaries and seminars. Um my background is corporate work and broadcast work. People like National Geographic ESPN and so on. So God’s given me lots of opportunities. And in 2010 I produced a 30 minute documentary. No 40 about 45 minute documentary on the 30th anniversary of Mount ST Helens and really had a passion to produce something that uh, you know, presented the creation aside to Mount ST Helen. So I called dr Austin and I said, you know, I’d like to, you know, feature you in a project. He goes, you know, I’ve been thinking about doing a documentary myself. And I said, well yeah, it’s like, well why don’t we do it together? And so, um we started kind of crafting the whole message and what we wanted to do. And then in august 2011, we went up on the monument, got the permits, and for two days we went into the monument, went on Spirit Lake, we went into the little Grand Canyon area and just shot a lot of video and created this this documentary that that we’re talking about today. So um dr Austin, he is uh an authority, you know, on this whole subject and it was so much fun to to, you know, sit there, a guy at my church said, yeah, he’s the rock star, you know, creationism and that’s right. I mean, he’s an amazing fellow and he’s done such a lot of work over many, many years on the subject of Mount ST Helens. And and clearly you’ve obviously known about that beforehand as well. So what made you think that was important? Why was why was the study of Mount ST Helens so important? Well, two things. One is the when Mount ST Helens went off and dr Austin was involved in a couple other scientists, I’m not sure exactly who dubbed it the God’s gift to creationists, but you know, to creationist, that’s what Mount ST Helen and I don’t know if you know this, but even in the secular world of scientists, it is the most studied volcanic place on earth, there’s huge amounts of research going on there. And part of it’s because, you know, very few times if scientists have had that opportunity to really study uh catastrophe is um or or you know, whatever they that’s one word that we use. Um usually with uniformity, arian ism is what secular scientists believe in. That, you know, little change over long periods of time. Here they have this living laboratory is what it’s also called of, you know, this catastrophe and they get a study, you know, what happens when a catastrophe happens and how how fast does it grow? How slow does it grow back? That is the beauty of this place. And I want to talk to you more about that. We need to take a break. But guys, coming up after the break, we’re gonna talk to Kyle a little bit more about the project that he’s put together and even show you some some clips. So you can get you get to know it a little bit better. We’ll be back right after this. You can see the effect of the pyroclastic flows. The coarse and the fine material is separated into thin layers called laminate, and the laminated appearance of the pyroclastic flow deposits is really interesting because it shows us that particles can be separated at high speed. These pyroclastic flows were moving at about 100 mph as the grains were being propelled over the surface in a slurry, the particles separated coarse and fine into thin layers, I had thought that a catastrophe would mix up all the particles and make a homogenized deposit boy, was I wrong? Right here, A pyroclastic flow moving at freeway speed or higher, can separate particles into coarse and fine. So layering doesn’t require millions of years, thousands of years or even hundreds of years, it can form rapidly in this slurry flow process. Alright now that was a great clip. But there’s a lot of men in our audience that that need to be told things twice. There’s a lot of men in our audience that need to be told things twice. So let’s cover again what that was was talking about because what he just said was absolutely huge. The layering of sediments doesn’t necessarily take a long period of time. It can actually happen very quickly. That’s that’s amazing. So, was this something you found interesting about Mount ST Helens Kyle, definitely. I mean I’ve been studying Mount ST Helens, I mean it’s in my backyard, I’m in Portland’s like I saw it in fact I saw it go off when I was 10 years old, you know, on May 18th, 19 eighties. So you know, it’s stuck in everyone’s mind who, who grew up here and but a lot of the detail, you know, I I didn’t know and it was, it was great to go up and and to see that um you know, the thing is like dr Austin said, you know when he was going to university so often over and over and over was this whole concept of you know that it took long periods of time to create layering and stratified layering and different kinds of layering and but you know I always seen pictures of it but to actually go there and to have him pointed out and to see that was was really amazing. Um It what was also fascinating was when he talked about how these, a lot of these layers were produced in pyroclastic flows and you know to sit there and look up at the mountain and just kind of imagine that kind of coming towards you um and then to see that and these are hurricane force winds and and I mean you would not want to be in one of these flows but you know what he described and what we saw there was this this minute layering of thin layers with small particles and then right above it was these layers that had you know these bigger chunks of pumice and so on and then a thin layer again and it’s all happening very very quickly through this whole area. It was it was really amazing. So yeah I learned a lot and it was really cool to actually see it. I didn’t realize you’ve been there the whole time. So you actually got to see it go off, you got to I mean experience all of it. So this is amazing, there is a famous photo isn’t there, Kyle that, that steve Austin took and you use this in your, in your documentary where you could see his hand and you can see a number of layers of rock and the, the idea is that you could just imagine that being in a classic geological textbook with somebody saying, well these layers must have taken several 1000 years each to form. You’ve got, you know, a million years or so of, of rock formation there and yes, of course, as as the DVD points out that happened in the space of just a few hours. It did and not only was it, you know, just not that much layer, but you know, it was several tens of feet of layers that all happened within 89 hours, you know, total or last man. So so many scientists are studying that if that’s one of the most studied volcanoes, you’re going, why can’t they see the truth here? Come on guys. This stuff doesn’t take millions of years because we know the Grand Canyon for example, they always talk about the millions of years of the Grand Canyon. Yeah, well, you know, it’s funny too eric is that if you go to johnston Ridge, they have a really nice movie that you watch and what’s interesting is at the beginning of the movie, they say over long periods of time, you know, slow process has happened, but every once in a while, something dramatic happens, you’re kind of going, yeah, get it here. It’s just like I saw something the other day with um they were talking about there being a flood up north of the Grand Canyon. Yeah, there’s, there was obviously a flood here or a, you know, a lake here at one time and, and they talk about that, but they can’t see, noah’s flood, What’s the matter with that? Yeah, it’s, it’s really amazing. But it goes back to, you know, basically before the renaissance, you know, scientists believed in the bible, they believed in creation, but, you know, they wanted to get away from that. So they had to come up with something. And so since, you know, Darwin and a little bit before that with Charles Lyell, you know, this whole secular humanism, you know, is permeates our society. So everyone thinks in that, so, to introduce this type of catastrophe is um and rapid formation of layers. It just, it, it takes time. People, they have to get over their whole worldview of slow processes. Now, there’s an interesting, I mean, I’ve read a lot in the past over many, many years about this mini Grand Canyon close to Mount ST Helens of course, what’s what’s special about your documentary is that you’ve got aerial photography of going over it. You’re, you’re actually in it steve’s actually in it and you can see the thing and it’s, it’s the next best thing, presumably to actually being there. What are the implications of that canyon with its little tiny stream down in the bottom there for as a model for the Grand Canyon? Well, yeah, I mean, the documentary is great because I have this one shot where I started on the stream and I tilt up to the mini Grand Canyon and dr Austin, he says, you know, how did this stream create this canyon? It didn’t. Um and that’s the thing is, is you look at that stream and secular scientists who don’t believe in, you know, catastrophic things. They have no other option, you know, but to say it had to be the stream. And and, you know, the great thing about Mount ST Helens is it shows us that no, there are other options. And it was it was catastrophic. And yet they still, I’m sure you’ll go into this at some other show, but, you know, a great example is the Missoula flood, where a secular scientists believe catastrophic processes responsible for all this geologic formations in eastern Washington. And yet he was shunned by the scientific community for 70 80 years, uh just because it didn’t mesh with, you know, long processes and little change. And Mount ST Helens shows us that it was catastrophic, wow, I love what Dr Austin said in that clip, He said, look, this, this even surprised him. What actually happened here And the evidence that came from Mount ST Helens and actually kind of shocked him because he said, hey, I was wrong about these layers, they came for rapidly. Yes. And you said about the stream didn’t form the canyon. The stream was, the stream was formed by the canyon. Yes, exactly. If it wasn’t for that canyon, you wouldn’t have the stream. Hey, we got one of the questions that we get asked on a regular basis and I thought we did this with you after the break is what about the flood destroying the world? How would the world recover from that? Wouldn’t that take a long period of time? But we’re gonna answer that question with Kyle Justice from compelled media. 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So, you know, that really fits very much with something that was said in your in your documentary. You want to comment on that? Yeah. You know, it is amazing when the volcano first went off, you know, the scientists went in there and they were awestruck of the destruction and they made a lot of predictions that it would take, you know, hundreds of years now. You know, the documentary shows what it was like before. You know, these huge uh you know furs and and just beautiful landscape and it was gone totally. The other thing that was amazing that they studied was Spirit Lake and it was, it was a toxic wasteland. You know, killed everything in there and they thought it would take years and years and years for that to to redevelop. But there’s so much they didn’t understand or know now if you talk to them now they’re going well, we were just guessing, you know, we really didn’t know, You know, but they made these predictions and it’s been amazing to see how God designed nature to come back. Um you know, you mentioned the lupin uh and there’s I interviewed for the 30th anniversary, the scientists who studied those and there’s so much nitrogen in the soil, nothing big could grow. But these looping come in and they start to work with the soil and they change it so that other trees can grow. And it was amazing little place that we shot that biological recovery with Dr Austin. I have I think we even showed images of that whole area and it was just it was it was incredible what was there after the blast, nothing. Now you go through there and there’s evergreen starting to grow and you know, it’s interesting to eric is that um the forest service when they established that monument, they said, you know what we’re not gonna plant, we’re not gonna do anything here, we’re gonna let this grow back naturally to kinda see how long it takes and even in the 30th anniversary documentary I did I was trying to press the scientists so did it surprise you? You know, is it Well no not really, you know we know now that it’s like exactly but you compare that to the flood, you know that did wipe everything out. It was totally new landscape, volcanic activity underneath the water, creating all the ash and you know all this tectonic activity. It was it was massive and yet, you know, not too long after the plant started to come back. I mean, Noah sending out, you know dove and coming back with an olive branch and so on. I mean it didn’t take that long to do the recovery and they were in the ark about a year and you know things are starting to come back and you know sure it wasn’t like it was before but you know it didn’t take eons of time for that recovery to to come back and we see that at Mount ST Helens, I’m sure like for Noah’s flood for example, I’m sure they went out and actually started planting some stuff. They didn’t just sit around and say okay God, you know when’s this stuff gonna go. I’m sure they actually cultivated and you can actually see I know at when I was at Yellowstone national Park when the fires went through in the eighties I believe you can actually see the areas that they left alone, They’ve already grown back surprisingly. But then the areas that they actually cleaned up and re cultivated, man, those you’d never know there was a fire there 20 years ago, You know, I guess 30 years ago now you’d never know that that happened. So when you start working with the land right away and cultivating it, no problem getting vegetation to grow. But even without that, it does come back quickly, doesn’t it? It really does. Um you know, there’s some chemical processes in the soil that take place. Like we’re talking there at Mount ST Helens, uh there’s a whole area outside of the monument that was still in the blast zone that was owned by Weyerhaeuser and they went through and they planted and there were some challenges, you know, at the beginning where uh, you know, there was, there was too much ash, so they kind of had to dig into it and get it there. But you know, with the flood during Noah’s time, it just wasn’t ash, there was a lot of soil and sediments and so on. You know, So in my opinion, there was probably a little better soils, you know, for plant recovery to happen after the flood than just what we see at Mount ST Helens, Mount ST Helens was was pretty dramatic as far as what the ground had there to work with for plants to grow back. The trees though in the blast zone that that had been planted by wear hauser, I mean they’re 2030, 40 ft now. Uh these these seedlings that they put into the ground and well, let’s show that you’ve got a clip of some of that. What happened with Steve Austin? Let’s show that. Look at the remarkable biological recovery that’s occurred here. The blue plants Lupine Fix nitrogen and made a soil quickly. The Indian paintbrush and the fireweed were back in and then the alder groves have formed and we even see here the seedling conifers back so it won’t take hundreds of years for this habitat to recover. It’s already recovered in 30 years. Large parts of the blast zone were knocked down by the steam blast and the soil there was churned up by pocket gopher that survived and those pocket gopher single handedly reseeded the blast zone and animals invaded the landscape. The elk have taken advantage of this amazing habitat and there are more elk per square mile here than there are in the forest. The remarkable recovery here at Mount ST Helens reminds me of what it must have been like after the global flood. You know that is the beauty of holding to the biblical worldview. It just makes sense. You just watched the clip from Mount ST helens seeing noah’s flood through geology that Kyle Justice and his company have put together along with dr Stephen Austin. Really good stuff. Absolutely amazing. DVD Kyle, you want to tell us something about what’s on that DVD? Yeah, there’s the main documentary, there’s some deleted clips that just didn’t make it into the main content and some behind the scenes stuff as well as a photo gallery. So really cool resources. There’s some great books out there as well. Steve Austin has done this one. It’s not available at the Creation store but you can get it from I see are the Institute for Creation Research called Footprints in the Ash by Dr Stephen Austin and john Morris a really good one. We can mention two other books by dr john Morris The Young Earth and the geology book. He’s done a lot. There’s also the case of the Missing Mountain to talk to your kids about Mount ST Helens. There’s tons of evidence from Mount ST Helens to use to promote the biblical worldview. And then of course Dennis Peterson’s book unlocking the mysteries of Creation. Another great resource. If you want to check those out and study more. And the DVD on Mount ST Helens you’ve seen clips on will be available on demand on amazon dot com as well and it’s great being talking. It’s been great talking to Kyle Justice during this program. Thanks so much for joining us. 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